The sickness continues...

would the collar work for the garden as well? I have wanted to try one for my two, but not sure if they work well.

wish they had them when kids were teenager ?
Evil smile

Do you mean a shock collar or an electric fence? My business partner laid down an electric fence wire to keep his cats in his yard and out of the flowerbeds. It delivers a warning, then light shock via a collar the animal wears all the time.

Our dog shock collar is only worn for training & carefully. The shock can make Walker jump into the air. If it is used too much, it can ruin a dog. When Walker tore a hole out of the front of the couch and tore off part of the wood frame under it, he went too far. We put his nose against the destruction and gave him a shock. Normally, the collar is only used when he is hunting & decides to chase a deer or rabbit or runs off. If I catch him lifting his leg on Lizzie's bedspread again.....

I understand what you are saying. They can be dnagerous in the wrong hands and hurt a dog mentally and physically. We have no fencing, but I have considered using a shock collar to reinforce to them that they should not lay down in my beds. I had thought of the kind that will only shock when you tell it to. (NOT a barking collar which I think is mean.) I would only want to do a very light shock. Just a warning that they are wrong that I could back up with a verbal no no. I am not aware of one that works together with a fence.

Lots of people use the "invisible fence" for pets. You lay a wire down along your property lines or on the edge of your garden. Your animal wears a collar with a reciever in it. When they get within 3 foot of the fence, they get a buzz from their collar. If they proceed, they get a shock from the collar. You can bury the "fence" under your grass & keep your pet in a confined area . An invisible fence can keep pets in your yard in neighborhoods that don't allow real fences. a negative factor is that an animal without the shock collar can come right in and back out again to harrass your pet.

OK, I see. Thanks for sharing that. I think that would not work for me. I just want to use one temporary to teach a lesson and then discontinue it once they get the idea.

So, I bought another "10 mixed oriental lily bulbs" from Buggycrazy, and, just like last time, she sent me 30 HUGE bulbs. This time, I was prepared.
For those of you following along with my power tool lust mentioned earlier in this thread, I asked for, and received for my birthday, a gas-fired power augur. No more bendy drill bits for this crazy lady.

So, the very first day I had it, I decided I had to plant a bunch of perennials I got from Buggycrazy and these 30 bulbs. I attached the 10" blade (also got a 6" blade) to the augur and let 'er rip. Wow. I don't get the opportunity to use the word "torque" very often, but this is the perfect opportunity. That augur ripped through the clay so fast, making the most excellent 10" diameter holes (for the perennials - 6" holes, later, for the bulbs). I "dug" eighteen holes in about 10 minutes, each at least a foot to a foot-and-a-half deep. Now, in our Carolina clay, that's saying something. It usually takes me fifteen minutes of digging, interspersed with at least fifteen minutes of resting, to dig one hole. The bulb holes were even faster, with the 30 taking about 10 minutes.

The only problem is that the augur is really heavy, esp. with the 10" blade covered with clay. I wrenched my back a bit and have been hobbling around and taking Alleve since. But what bliss! I'll be back at it this weekend.

Yea for Ivory!!! I'm so glad for you! I just love my auger, but I would love it more if I had a gas powered drill! That's really cool. My auger gets really heavy with all the clay on it too. I think it's funny to spin the auger after I've dug the hole an watch all the clay go flying! Be careful with your back...hope it feels better soon.

When I was doing the digging by hand, I would have to add in another 15 minutes for swearing at the darn clay!! LOL!

No digging here yet--ground is frozen hard. Guess I'll just trim bushes & trees tommorrow when it hits 50 degrees again... Early Spring??? Hope..Hope ...Hope!

I have to admit it. Been bad... very bad. Another box from Buggycrazy just arrived yesterday full of at least 15 more bulbs. Some of my "fellowship" oriental lilies are HUGE! How deep do I plant these guys?

As far as having clay-based soil, same situation here. Will they (asiatics and orientals) do okay in such heavy soil?

--Emily (lily addict)

I dig holes in the clay and fill them with amendments - peat, mushroom compost, leaf-based compost - and I put some bulb fertilizer at the bottom of the hole.

Does some one have the web site for Buggy Crazy??
I had bookmarked it, but now find that it isn't there?
Thanks for you help.

Maxine

This is the only one I have for her, but it seems like I remember her selling at two different places.

http://daylily.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi

Why are people willing to pay $75 for a bulb? Am I missing something? I don't know anything about them so that is why I am asking. I was just wondering if I am missing something or not.

JesseK

The only reason I can think of is that they don't have anything else to spend their money on! LOL!

Here's a link to what she has on Lily Auction right now...

http://daylily.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?searchtype=seller&searchstring=Buggycrazy

She also sells at Blooming Auction at this URL:

http://www.thebloomingauction.com/search.asp?searchtxt=buggycrazy&searchtype=2


Not sure if she has any lily bulbs up right now, but if you email her, she's very responsive.

Just realized my link didn't work....hmmmm....

Jesse ~ where did you see a $75 bulb? I'd really like to see that!

Thanks Ivory for the 2 web sites. Mine didn't work before.

I see by her photo's that she really has some nice lilies [color wise].
I don't know what the prices are yet, just looked at color's.

Maxine

Moby, I saw it on her site earlier today. Those have ended now but someone actually bought them. Here is another one for $70. I just can't understand why someone one would pay this much money for a flower. I mean, I love my plants, but I could never afford something like that. Here is one that is on there now: http://daylily.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?cultivarsgnew&1108523736

JesseK

OMG! Here is one for $170. Am I reading this wrong or are these people really going to pay this much? I am just in shock that anyone would really pay this. http://daylily.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?cultivarsgnew&1108572259

JesseK

Join the Daylily Forum if you want to see some eye-popping prices.

I gotcha Jesse. Those are daylilies! Pretty spendy, just the same. Not in my budget either.

Like ivory said ~ check out the daylily forum if you really want to blow your mind!

in defense of the hyberdizers,
price ,the only time they get any money out
of new introduction is the first year they offer it /
Remember they spend maybe 10 years to get enough to offer to public
thats a lot of sweat and fertilizer testing .ect.>Then maybe they have
15 or 20 plants to sell .once they are sold you can take it do a cell culture
have hundreds to sell next year and the guy who
put it out cant sell for 10>.>>>>>>>>>>
dollars like k=mart and the clone is not as nice or healthy.but he doesn't
get a cent because they can not patten there cross some are going to or
talking about it .

well, that makes sense and adds a lot of clarification on that point... thanks, Taz

Moby, I was totally confused. Now I see what you were both saying. I did not know that the daylily forum was a different forum from this forum. So when ivory said to check out the daylily forum I thought she meant this forum. Then when you mentioned it again, it made me stop and take a look to see if there was a different forum called daylilys. Thanks for helping me see this. But a quick question is, what is the difference between a lily and a daylily?

JesseK

a daylily or hemorocallis is a perennial and comes from a rhizome, they grow in 'fans' of leaves, and the blooms are on a leafless stalk, and the flower lasts only 1 day. thus 'day'lily. a lily or lilium grows from a bulb. it has one stalk of flowers with the leaves and blossoms all on the one stalk. the blooms last for up to a week or more. there are different types of lilies such as asiatic, oriental, orienpet, trumpet, asiapet, and species lilies.
this is just an amateurs description. i hope it helps a bit.
debi z and my little gardener doggie franklin
this picture shows oriental liliums 'stargazer'
'

this is a shot of a daylily. not that great of a shot but i hope it helps some.
debi & franklin

debi, thanks for telling me the difference and showing me the photos. Now I know the difference. I think they are all beautiful but my wallet would choose the lily over the daylily. I can't imagine paying that price for something that blooms only one day. I might try to grow some next year when the time is right.

JesseK

oh jessek, you can get daylilies for only a few dollars for 2 fans. people often have them for sase in the plant trading forum. there are also several flowers on a stem of daylilies and more stems as the plant gets larger. some of them even rebloom and ones like stella dora are termed everbloomers and bloom all summer long.
there are also lilies that sell for $30+ a bulb or 50¢ a bulb.

i like lilies better myself, but i have daylilies in my gardens too and i really enjoy them.

debi z

What is a fan?

JesseK

a DIVISION:

1.) Refers to an individual unit in a clump, each portion of which is identical to the parent plant. Also see: Fan, Ramet.
2.) The process of breaking a multifan clump of daylilies into several individual plants. Each plant can be termed a division

i got the above definition from this web page and there is also a picture there for you to view.

http://www.daylilies.org/ahs_dictionary/division.html

i think with daylilies that the leaves look like a fan too.

debi z

This message was edited Feb 17, 2005 12:43 PM

Debi, I see that you have some supports for your lilies. This is my first year growing them and I am just wondering if I will need to get some of those?

well it depends on the lily and where you have it planted. i find the ones i have planted in shade and part shade tend to need a support more than ones grown in full sun. also, taller ones tend to need support from wind. of course if you plant them near schrubs they will use them as a natural support.
i bought mine at a discout store here called east coast marketplace, or ocean state job lots. they were inexpensive and they work well. i've seen them for much costlier prices in gardening catalogues. also, you can use bamboo, some folks use coat hangers they fashion into plant stakes, or whatever works for you.
debi z

Thanks Debi. Mine are in full sun...so we'll see how they do.

Something I use on occasion are those cheap, green bamboo sticks available at garden centers and green florists tape.

Makes a handy "splint" too, if a stem has been injured but not completely broken.

Thanks Moby, that's a good idea too.

Thanks for some good info, Debi_z and Moby...

I could have used that splint idea a couple of times last year. I will sure remember it now.

When the wind come sweeping across OK. i have to stake rose moss LOL

LOL... i believe it...