blooms beginning 4/8/08

For http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=4789300 how about Silver Screen?
or Silver Screen Legend

Brugie, I like your suggestions for the former 3-ring circus. Same for yours Amanda and Rene and Tropicalaria. Decision soon . .

Hyblaean (what a name!), that flower has become "Northern Exposure" by maternal decree here . .
but I have added Silver Screen to my naming database, and I'll contact you with an offer to send you a free plant when I use Silver Screen. Great name, and thanks!

One called Tropical Heat Wave; great plant, big loose double, verrrrrry bright.

Barry

Matt won Best of Show Seedling for me in Orlando yesterday, with the variety Sorority Girl, attached. He grows my babies better than I do, but then so do some of you. Now Sorority Girl will go to the official Seedlling Evaluation Committee for three years of trials in its quest to be named American Hibiscus Society Hibiscus of the Year. I kinda like its chances . . but I MAY be biased.
;-)
Barry

I guess I should have mentioned that the bloom he won with was about 9" in diameter; I often get 8" ones here, but not as full as he grows it. Matt is good.

Here's a test question. Retired teachers never stop teaching, do they? Hines sells this pink as Lipstick. It isn't. I wonder if Carlos or anyone else out there can put a name to this prolific 5" variety on an excellent compact plant?
Thanks, Y'all.
Barry

The one with no name reminds me of a wide variation of sunsets. Sunset Beauty may fit. Elaine

Thanks Berry :) I'm not sure I could get one to thrive this far north, but I certainly would give it a shot!! How about Radiant Razzmatazz or just Razzmatazz for the orangey colorful one.

Barry,
I saw Matt's "Sorority Girl" It was one of the prettiest pinks I have ever seen. When he sells it, which I know is not soon, I may have to scrounge a few dollars up, lol.

Thanks, Cat.
I hope you buy it and enjoy it.
This is more like what I see here most of the time . .
Sorority Girl

Barry

Barry, that's a real beauty!

Barry, I'm not sure if I can help but the mislabelled Lipstick reminds me to Silver Rose. Attached you can find mine when it was alive. I have to get one again.

Regards

Carlos

Thanks, Carlos. Silver Rose as pictured has a bit more silver color in the zone around the eye, but it may well be the variety I am trying to name.
As always, I appreciate you,
Barry

I've got a couple pretty blooms to share today. Nothing new and traffic-stopping like Barry's pretties, but I like them nonetheless :-)

Here's Moonstruck.

And Love Story - one of three that I didn't dig up before I moved out of the old house. Good thing I still have photography rights, lol ;-)

karen

LOL, I'm so brain-dead sometimes - I just realized I posted this under the wrong day - DOH!!

One of these days soon, I'll get it right, lol ;-)

karen

So, Mellow Yellow won't be out for 2-3 years. :(

How long do we have to wait for Flaming Star?

Within a year or so, most likely.
Barry

Okay, I can wait a year.

I think.

Barry - any names on the 3 Ring Circus?

Gosh, Amanda. I appreciate your submitting names, but a dear old friend has given it a name Susan (and I) love. Ayers Rock in Aus has I guessed been renamed to recognize the native peoples' name for it, Uluru. Our friend begged that it be Uluru Sunrise, and so it shall be.

To make it up to folks who kindly offered names . . any of your names I use (and some you suggested are already in use . . ) IF I use a name you suggested, and I do have them and your name in my name database, I'll email you via dmail or post in this forum the photo and the name, and send you a clone soon as I have one.

To help prove my good intentions, here's another brand new one looking for an identity. By Monday we'll post the chosen name here. At the moment it is Chiquita but that doesn't suit us.
Description:
3.5” mini single. 1” dark red eye, russet orange body, bright golden veins to edge, pale orange edge. Perfect form.
Barry

Medecine Man

Barry

How about Baby Doc? I personally love the grays/browns (not that I can grow them up here), they look mysterious and intriguing in a Hibiscus- in a daylily they just look muddy.

With the American Hibiscus Socity Register down right now, this is the best place I know to see whether a name has already been used. Scrolling is a little tedious but the data is pretty current:
http://www.australianhibiscus.com/Database/database_register.htm

peace,
Barry

Well, a couple that I thought of are already listed there, but how about Mango Salsa or Mango Sorbet?

Isle of Orange, my suggestion. Elaine

Sorry, group.
someone who shall remain nameless reported me to DAVE's GARDEN for telling you who sold my creations. Turns out that was a violation of rules here, which I didn't realize.
Also illegal to let you name seedling to get a free plant of it sent to you, admin Terry says.
No good deed shall go unpunished.
I'd love to tell you who made this happen, but I believe that revenge is never a good motive for anything, unlike the person who made this happen.
I'm very sorry if I gave offense breaking the rules, and very sorry to disappoint you who were having fun naming seedlings. Please spread some pollen this month and make your own seedlings and give them your special names.
I have some medical issues taking me away from hibiscus for awhile, but I hope to be back enjoying the amateurs on this forum, with your beautiful photos and your boundless enthusiasm.
peace and joy,
Barry

Barry, I appreciated your insights and the seedlings you've shared, though I have mostly been a lurker around here. I hope you're all right and look forward to seeing you on the forum again.

Paul

Barry, since I was here we have always said where you can get this or that variety. We have promoted places like HVH, A Touch of Tropics, Dupont's, Hibiscus Place, Hipnotic Blooms and so on.
You can continue showing your seedlings and the rest of us will say where to buy it. I think this doesn't break any rule as we aren't the hybridizers nor the sellers.
The second rule is so .... Better not to comment it.

Regards

Carlos

Good Grief!

Feel better soon friend.

Just to clarify a few things:

1) AUP infractions are something we deal with on a regular basis and unfortunately self-promotion is one of the most chronic problems (and is on the rise as our membership grows.) Unlike some forums, our admin team actually participates in and reads quite a bit of the forum posts. It is sheer speculation to assume anyone reported you, or assume malice from any of your fellow forum members.

Do members report self-promotion posts? Yes, and for good reason: a DG subscription allows you to bypass the banner ads and most members don't appreciate finding soft-selling in the forums.

2) Our forums are designed as a place to share information, not for unlimited free advertising for vendors. We offer banner ads, forum sponsorships, as well as low-cost classified ads and the PlantScout tool for vendors to market their plants to a receptive audience.

Members can talk about where you bought a plant IF you are doing it to only to pass along helpful information to another member.

If you are name-dropping to promote a friend's business, that is not okay. That's called "shilling" and we have had to remove vendors who repeatedly encouraged their friends to do that for them.

Bottom line: members shouldn't have to wonder if the answers and advice they get here are motivated by profit.

Hello All,

I too have had threads edited the last couple of days which is not a problem to me whatsoever. I apologize for anything to do with self promotion. I dont think I even put any web addresses down but I may have. but no matter I am here for the wonderful people and advice just a break from the hustle and bustle of the daily grind. I do not expect validation on anything I post and do this for fun. It is my personal collection and will never advertise for sale. I can't tell you who did the reporting because I am not in the drivers seat here. However, I can say that we are here as a group, A family at daves garden. Wether you have no hibiscus and love to look or a collection to show, we are all a family and use this for keeping in touch. Terry, I understand you have a job to do and I will not cause you to edit any post by me for any reason at all anymore. Lets keep this wonderful family together and Keep sharing. Do not let anyone discourage you from posting and showing off your collection. We work hard to do this. No one is any better on this forum than the other. We are all equal!!!

Keep up the good growing
Sincerely,
Robert

Terry, if you were member of THML (Tropical Hibiscus Mailing List), where it's happening the same, you would notice that this is not just speculation but a direct attack against Barry. There, in THML, was a recent joined member, who had differences with him in the past, who initated the attack. I believe here that assumption of malice from another member who reported him is quite possible and real.
If you don't let Barry to show his seedlings you will lose a certain percentage of quality in this forum as he is one of the best hybridizers of the past, of the present and of the future in the hibiscus world.
Noone is encouraging me to promote any business. If someone, not only Barry, shows his/her seedlings/cultivars and another one ask where to get it I would say it, not because the hybridizer told me where it's sold, no, just because I know, more or less, every variety that sells every nursery. That is called knowledge not shilling.

Regards

Carlos

I second Robert's sentiments, we're all a big happy hibiscus family and I hope everyone will keep posting their beauties here, giving advice, etc! I think everyone here is just trying to help out with advice and share their gorgeous hibiscus, and if there were posts that broke the rules I don't think it was done with wrong intentions but in the spirit of trying to help.

Carlos--I think Barry's still allowed to post pics of his seedlings, he just isn't allowed to tell us who's selling them or offer a free plant to people who name the seedlings. I sure hope he will continue to post pics!

This message was edited Apr 22, 2008 7:28 AM

No, I don't belong to the THML (DG takes up 10-12 hours a day of my time ;o) But it is worth noting that this problem is not isolated to the Hibiscus forum. In the past week, we had to remove three members from the site (participants on another forum, not the Hibiscus forum.) The problem? It all boiled down to vendor rivalry. As another case in point, another forum has had so many vendor promotion problems that the participants in that forum are not allowed to mention ANY vendor or business by name.

When commercialism creeps in - usually due to aggressive vendors (and their enthusiastic customer/friends) - it saps the fun out of the forum for everyone.

Our goal is to prevent that from occurring. To that end, we insist that all members (vendors or not) participate in our forums as JUST members.



Pictures to share? That's great! In fact, we have a HUGE section of PlantFiles entries for Hibiscus, and we encourage everyone (including vendors) to show off their photos and share their growing notes and observations for the varieties they grow: http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/finder/index.php?sname=Hibiscus

In fact, vendors may even use the caption in PlantFiles to indicate the image is provided "courtesy of "[XYZ] Nursery." Yes, it is a small commercial "plug" but when done discreetly, it is balanced by legitimately giving credit to the photograph's source.



That's true; however, your previous post could be inferred as an intent to to "shill" for a particular vendor: "You can continue showing your seedlings and the rest of us will say where to buy it..."

That would be a deliberate end-run around the AUP rule against self-promotion. Hopefully we're now all on the proverbial "same page" and the ground rules are clear to all.

Terry, english is not my mother tongue and sometimes I write in few words what has a deeper or more extensive meaning.
Resuming the work of hybridizing in just sharing pictures is a bad definition. Behind those pics are new forms and new colors that just a few have the touch to get them. Those pictures can't be uploaded to PlantFiles as they are seedlings and not varieties. Those seedlings can be discarted before releasing them.
I've uploaded quite a few varieties
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/imagesbyuser.php?user=carlo05

Regards

Carlos

Carlos I think you always express yourself very well and by the way, I love your picture of 'Coloring Book' in the PlantFiles.

As Robert and Liz have said above, I have always viewed our forum as a big happy hibiscus family, where everyone - new or old - is encouraged to contribute their beautiful pictures, and seek advice. I've enjoyed (and continue to enjoy) this forum not only because of the above reason, but also that our group of forum contributors have been unfailingly nice and supportive to all.

I sincerely hope that Terry is correct in that there was no malicious intent, and the situation here is different than the maliciousness against Barry on the THML. I can't believe that any one of us "regulars" would have done such a thing, and it saddens my heart to think that maybe someone did. Although vendor rivalry is indeed present and arguments break out in other forums, I've been glad to be part of a kind group where no one fights. Indeed, I treasure the friendships I've made here, through the common love of our beautiful flowers.

Barry, I sincerely hope that you continue to show us your new seedlings so we can all be excited about what's coming in the future of tropical hibiscus. May God be with you in regards to your medical problems. Living in my immune deficient bubble as I do, I truly know how difficult health situations can be, and you have to be patient and rest to let your body heal.

All said and done, I sure do hope that this problem is ended and we can all get back to what's important - the beauty of our favorite flower, the gorgeous tropical hibiscus.

karen

This just wreaks of jealousy and hate. While I have been mostly a voyeur on this site, I must say that the insight and information provided by Barry, Robert et al has made me want to be a better gardener and expand upon my hibuscus collection. I know that Terry has a job to do; however, I think that jealousy and rivalry has played a role in this case and Terry might be as much a victim (due to manipulation) as Barry. People make choices based on the hibs that appeal to them. I think that most of us are savy enough to not let anyone manipulate us into purchasing something that we don't want--God knows if I had the money, I would be having hibs shipped to me on a daily basis. I hope that Barry will continue to show us new seedlings so that was can all enjoy the wonderful world of new hibs. I also hope that the person who spewed this venom on Barry will find peace in knowing that the end does not justify the means--people do get hurt. Hate will always be hate regardless of the shape and form in which it comes. Barry, I will say a prayer for you regarding your health issue.

I have also had messages edited in this forum. Did someone "turn me in"? It doesn't matter to me, the rules are here for a good reason. There are enough other places to advertise, including in the proper place in Daves Garden, so why do it here? This is a great place for gardeners and growers to relax and share their home garden photos or whatever it is they are thinking about that pertains to growing hibiscus. I've also known Barry probably longer than any one else on this forum, and like Robert even been in business with him, and can tell those interested that he tends to come and go from hibiscus mail lists, and will probably be back sooner or later.

Charles

I just hope that whatever happens, our hybridizers and growers don't abandon the forum. I haven't been here much lately, but I peek in when I can. I really appreciate getting to look at such beauty and I'm sure no ill intent was intended.

Okay Terry - am I to understand that we cannot exchange with others where we have purchased a plant or where to look for a particular plant? That seems highly unreasonable - I mean whenever someone sees something that really pops in my garden or vice versa - the first question is "Where did you get that"?? When I joined DG it was not only because of it's vast and reliable references to different plants but to be able to share and gain knowledge about where to find plants. I have NEVER seen or taken Barry's input, showing of new seedlings etc. as a plug for one vendor over another (nor have I seen Robert, Dupont, or Charles do this). I do not and have not seen anything on this hibiscus forum that can be truly construed as 'shill'
According to the defination: "A shill is an ASSOCIATE of a person selling goods or services or a political group, who PRETENDS NO ASSOCIATION to the seller/group and ASSUMES THE AIR of an enthusiastic customer." In other words it would be a deliberate act of deception on behalf of a person saying that they purchased a hibiscus from a fab. vendor when indeed, he did not! Carlor's statement that you quoted would be considered as a reference not shill especially if someone that had indeed purchased the plant voiced where it was purchased. There has been no advertisements of any one vendor over another here so I see this as a non-issue here in the hibiscus forum.

We have built an online "friendship" here at this forum and there isn't anyone here esp. Barry that's trying to "plug" his business. In fact Barry readily says "I do not sell these" whenever someone has asked. Many members list several vendors of whom they have NO ASSOCIATION with when someone asks "where can I find xyz hibiscus". I thought the purpose of this forum is to allow members to exchange knowledge and experiences of plants. The fact that these hybriders actually allow us laymen to see there work in progress is a bonus and an inspiration and to some - to actually try their hand at making wonderful hibiscus creations. And if indeed Barry's slap on the hand is because of a green eyed vendor - SHAME ON HIM! I do hope this doesn't prevent the forum from seeing these wonderful creations weather or not it'll be for sale by anyone. And Barry if you're reading this - I hope everything goes well for you health-wise - I'll say a prayer.