historic iris, heirloom iris

Nightfall Hall 1942

Oh my gosh, Nightfall Hall 1942 is the prettiest blue/purple I've ever seen.

good grower too
:)
a

WOW! Just like summer in December. Time to get out the iris catalogs and make lists.

avmoran's photos sent me iris shopping. The horned yellow iris that I found at the historic site mentioned above, I m sure was Thornbird. (Dyles Medal 1997)

Thornbird Byers 1988

avmoran: you are an encyclopedia.

These are the pictures I have of Thornbird

Caganimalover, Avmoran: You can imagine how strange this iris looked amongst the old fashioned blues and purples at an historic site. I later learned that the woman who worked there back in the 60s and 70s was a plant breeder specializing in camellias. I even found a Camellia Journal with photos of some camellias she had introduced. Im sure she was responsible for the little iris garden. I wish I had gotten to know her better. One of those plant people who come and go, taking with them so much I would have liked to share with her.

Of the group here, I definitely want to find Thornbird, Kaleidoscope, and Loreley next summer.

Kalidescope is fascinating me--an early streaked wonder to bridge to my modern Kaspareks. Germanics are one of the species and all would date way back. The tall-bearded iris we grow are hybrids based on the species.

I've noticed definite color differences of Thornbirds from the same roots grown in different gardens. Mine is more toward the green tones. llilyfan has a clump that she split that grows two distinctly different colors on different SIDES of her garden!

I'll chime in here with a photo of my 'Thornbird'

A nice close-up of 'Loreley'

'Her Majesty'

'Mission Ridge'

grannymarsh: Your photo of Loreley has me more hooked than ever. I have got to get that iris next summer. Thornbird seems to have a lot of variability.

merry christmas to everyone.

avmoran--you have an eviable collection of historics! How many do you grow?

I have 120 Historics TB, IB, BB, SDBs, MTBs, MDBs and Arils
I have a total of 634 registered cultivars
and about 100 seedlings 2 of which will be introduced in 2007
:)
A

Is one, the brown one? That one is SO COOL!

http://www.schreinersgardens.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=SIGO&Product_Code=BROW&Category_Code=TBI

I guess you didn't mean, "Brown Lasso" --its not very brown.

Oh no. Avmoran has a new brown seedling and posted the picture in the "brown iris" thread http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/669152/
Check Nov 16th entry of the brown seedling. Posted: "Here is a seedling I am working with that bloomed this year for first time."

Thanks caganimalover
the two I'm Introducing this year are an IB "Hot Cupid" through Snowpeak

And an Arilbred "Lakeside Elf" through the Aril Society


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MMMM. How long will it take to get them ready to market?

Ooo I like Hot Cupid best. What differentiates an Arilbred from other iris?

Arils are desert iris from the middle east
some are very tempermental and many are endangered which is why getting seeds
from wild strains is so important

this is a typical wild Aril
http://www.badbear.com/signa/display-photo.pl?Iris-jordana+1+1
This is typical of what an aril Oncocylcus (Iris jordana) which usually have domed standards and shorter falls and many arils have been crossed with other bearded producing Arilbreds
another Aril are Regelia
http://www.badbear.com/signa/display-photo.pl?Iris-bloudowii+4+3
they usually have upright standards
both are bearded usually 1 bloom per stalk and any where from 8-20+ inches
:)
for more info go to ASI http://www.arilsociety.org/arilsociety.pl?index
and you will see some fabulous iris
can you tell I just love these
:)
Anita

Gloria
it takes about five to eight years to get an iris to market
some times if it is a very good increaser less
but there is information as to how it will survive in other areas
is it consistant, stays in class, etc. to consider before introduction.
"Hot Cupid" is and 01 germination and "Lakeside Elf" is an 02. Both are good increasers and both do very well in a variety of climates. "Lakeside elf" may not be the best Arilbred out there but it is extremely fertile both ways and that makes it valuable for crossing
Its offspring should bloom this year
I can not wait to see what it produced.
:)

avmoran: if you need a Southern tester --ME! ME! ME! Are the new introductions only tested by the Aril Society? I guess the limiting factor here would be the humidity. Also, I am on acid soil.
I am in Zone 8 -northern edge of Gulf Coastal Plain.

Oh. Thats what you mean by BROWN iris. Ive just been to the Brown Iris Thread.

If anyone else, like me, is a little confused by iris classification:

http://www.irises.org/classification.htm

Wow! avmoran, your garden must be incredible in the spring!

Avmoran,
These iris are beautiful. Love many of the one's on http://www.arilsociety.org/arilsociety.pl?photos+
Do these normally cost more than other iris?

If you need somewhere to test "can be grown by anyone" or "extremely resilient", I'm your test site. If something grows (multiplies, and blooms) here, it can grow ANYWHERE! ~~~ Carol

Actually Carol
Arils would probably do Extremely Well in Texas and poor in other parts as they LOVE Hot and Dry.
New introduction of Tall Bearded run around $50 where New intros for Arils run $15-25
:)
A

How do they like clay?

Clay is one of the easiest to fix.
I have horrible clay, and the wet as well
what I do is mix pea gravel, compost, sand and either mulched leaves or old mulch in the clay.
it works very well
:)
A

The pea gravel and sand don't create a concrete like texture? Is it possible to have different kinds of clay?
Mulched leaves and old mulch work very well if I can get enough added. (it takes LOTS & LOTS)

I use a crushed rock for sand 1 part per 10 parts clay
pea gravel 1 part per 20
crushed/chopped leaves (dry) 1 part per five
compost 50/50

Oh yeah! If you add in that much leaves and compost that should work well. Do you just work a large planting hole for specific plants or do you do entire planting section at a time?

Seeing this thread has gotten my juices flowing. I have several historics: Honorabile, Flavescens (tons), Kashmir White, Prinzess Viktoria Luise. I also have a brown which I believe is Prosper Laugier. Anyone agree?

This year I did a trade and got Demi-Deuil, Rose Unique and I bought Wabash. I like historics because they are so hardy. I get mad at newer irises which bloom some years and not others, or get diseases and rot in our winters (so I prefer beardless and historics). Don't get me started.

I also have a goniocarpa grossa in a pot so I can get it out of the rain which hasn't bloomed for me. It's an aril (regelia side) from China. I am at least keeping it alive and it's growing each year.

Here's Flavescens in it's glory with River Dance siberian.

Kashmir White.

Prinzess Viktoria Luise.