Anyone else have any growing this year? Up til I read the thick stem topic I had never heard of it. Now it appears 2 of three Samur Lily bulbs I purchased at Wal Mart last year are fasciated and maybe the third. I would love to see any other photos any of you have taken of this strange growing condition. As you can see in the Picture the one on the left has grown quite wide ....now over 2".
Is the stem flattened? A large round stem is normal. If the stem is flattened and starts developing dozens of buds, then it's probably fasciated.
Oh yes....2 of them are flattened. The picture is not real clear because it was almost dark...after a rain. I will take another when the sun decides to shine. I sure hope it blooms without aborting. Especially after I found other pictures on the internet, like the one on this link.
http://www.oldhousegardens.com/regalCate.asp
That one on the left looks like it has those vertical ridges like you see on fasciated lilies. Menkids, what is that dark stuff on your lilies? Just dirt?
yes...Dirt....rain had just stopped before I took the picture...sorry
Whew! I didn't want to have to tell you they had botrytus infection!
My fasciated stems are distinctly striated.
I don't have but three lilies and all three also have the thick, flat, striated stems.
Dee
Fasciated stems have been very rare for me-only two in my lifetime. I am 46. The first time was when I was about 16, and I accidently got a bit of overspray of Roundup on a lily. I quickly washed as much off as I could, but assumed that was why it became fasciated at that time. I had never heard of it being a "normal" occurrence back then. Still, I am steadfast in my belief that the growth is "triggered" by something or somethings. What that is I haven't a clue, though it would only be logical that certain species/cultivars are more or less prone. I do not think it is a simple "random growth" like on Fantail willow.
Rick
P.S. You think Roundup is expensive now: you should have bought it 20 years ago!
Wanna know what I think it is?
IMHO, I think fasciations are the Siamese twins of the plant world ~ the failure of the new shoots to differentiate into 2 or 3 separate stems. Just as conjoined twins are the result of an incomplete cell division and replication. It just happens sometimes.
Not that Round-Up or tip damage won't cause mutations ~ they will ~ though it seems that those results ought to be reproducible to a degree. But I don't think I'll go around damaging my lilies to find out!
Kind of reminds me of a molar pregnancy. I had three of them, the last turned into cancer, which was easily cured. In a complete molar pregnancy, the egg has no DNA in it, so when the father's DNA fertilizes the egg, his DNA multiplies at 2.5 times the normal rate of a pregnancy. My HCG was doubling every 48 hours. Normally a complete or partial mole will miscarry and the woman never knows she is pregnant, or she miscarries and never knows the reason except that 'something wasn't right with the baby'...but every once in a while, the molar pregnancy attaches to the wall of the uterus and continues to multiply like mad. When I had my last one, I was 6-8 weeks pregnant and looked like I was 4 months pregnant.
So, I can't help but wonder if a faciated lily is not the lilium version of a molar pregnancy....
Interesting ~ molar pregnancies are pretty uncommon, and you've had 3! Sorry to hear that tho.
Figures... no sooner do I say 'failure to differentiate' ~ now I have one declaring it's independence.
just like kids and pets......now plants make a liar out of us!
Kool Moby! It looks like its an oriental.....what variety? Mine is supposed to be Samur.... an asiatic....darn. This is what color mine is supposed to be.
You're right, it's Oriental 'Rosario'.
llilyfan, you hit the nail on the head! lol Something learned in the medical field is true for gardening too ~ never say "always" and never say "never". Mother Nature will remind you just who has the upper hand.
ain't that the truth!
Moby,
Although molar pregnancies are rare, they are more common in a person who has had one or more miscarriages of unknown etiology. AFter my second one, I went to my doc and told him abut it...he dismissed it as my womb 'sloughing its lining in one fell swoop'. It wasn't till I had the molar pregnancy that implanted that I found out the reason for my multiple miscarriages due to the fact that I passed the same kind of tissue. I would guess that most doctors never see a total molar pregnancy that implants....ironically it was an ultrasound tech in a small semi-rural hospital that figured it out when I ended up in the ER while on vacation. The ER doc had to call an onoclogist to find out how to handle it.
Anyway, it does seem to me to be a similar modality causing the faciated lilies as the moalr pregnancy...but then I have found over the years that my logic does not always follow the logic of other people. I even missed quesions on a logic problem on a mensa test because I was looking at the shapes of the letters rather than seeing the pattern in their order. Both answers were 'right'....but mine was not the one they were looking for. That is what I get for being right brained in a left brained world...LOL!
Hey, but on the molar pregnancy thing...it has made me really appreciate the one child I do have. I was on the pill when I got rpegnatn with him...and since his egg was the only viable one I had out of four pregnancies, I think he is here for a reason. My husband has a degree in statistics and at one time, I think he calcul;ated out the odds of my son's existance to be something like 1 in 2 million. Should I be calling my son 'Sir' or 'Your Highness'??????
A special child, indeed. :)
Here is updated Picture of the 3 Fasciated LA Lilys. As you can see....Frost Damage and all. (Newspaper said a low of 37 that night...yeah right.)
This 2nd pictre shows the thickest stemed one. It appears to be splitting into two large tops.
This 3rd picture shows how wide the stem is now.
Wow, those look really freaky!! ;o)
Lotz of oohs and ahhs here. I hope they set blooms. What a show that would be. Keep your battery charged.
Mick ~ how wide is the top that is starting to split? That thing looks like it's going to be the mother of all fasciated lilies!
The top bud of the one starting to split is 3" and the stalk at the split is 1 1/2". The 2nd one has a 2" bud and a 1 1/4" stalk. The third has a 1 1/2" bud and 1" stalk. I did find another odd one today. Its a runt...only about 3"-4" out of ground yet budding...maybe double.....wierd.
Can't wait to see these bloom. I think it seems like the last couple years, there has been more fasciation showing up in all parts of the country, or maybe I just never noticed it before becoming a member of DG??
susan
Here is the original photo of my lily that I believe is a fasciated lily.
This is it in bloom today.
It lost many of the buds, just like I was told would probably happen.
I don't suppose anyone has any idea what this jewels name might be, do you?
Dee
Not hijacking but would somebody please tell me (Dmail)why Moby's 'copyright' on her pic is so different from say - Dees just above. I like the little one better but don't know how to do it.
We had -5 frost last night and lots of my lilies are knee high or taller. Ouch. Went and sprayed early this am as tink I read somewhere that that is what is done in Florida orange groves after a frost.
We shall see.
Inanda
Wow..Pretty Lily dbibb! I believe it looks like a Fata Morgana (Asiatic Double Lily). Here is link with a photo. http://www.naturehills.com/new/product/perennialsdetails.aspx?prodid=2792&ovmkt=6TL4TEQ1FFTRVQ7T1E0LAPKMGG
My 3 fasiated lilys are not doing so well. Two of the three had such wide stalks that they broke apart under the pressure of growing. Now the 2 are kinda messed up....still growing...but one bud is at 90 degrees from up and the other split so the tops of both sides are growing at 90 degrees towards each other. The 3rd smaller one might make it ...I hope. At least its pointing up yet.
Do post pics! One of mine has split into 5 parts ~
Thanks Moby & Echoes for the info.
Can't wait to see how these stems will bloom. Moby, yours is particularly wild.
Am told by she-who-is-never-wrong that we didn't go to -5. It was 2.2, maybe -2.2C
Abject apologies
inanda
Menskids..thanks for the id. It does look like that is exactly right.
I only have three lillies and all three showed this same phenomenon. The one above is obviously blooming. One will not bloom becaue one of my furrkins rubbed a little too harshly and broke the stem. But, I still have the other lily to look forward to.
On the one blooming I actually had two blooms that were hanging down like angel trumpets..they weren't broken, that was the way they were growing.
Moby.. neither of mine have gone as wild as yours though. You win the contest. :)
Would like to see other photos.
Dee
The thickest ones stem actually split apart..I removed the weakest part...perhaps this will still bloom.
Here is the part I removed.
The 2nd widest plant....It split too, and the bud turned 90 degrees to stem.
This 3rd one is doing good. Still upfacing and many buds here.
This last Pic is a Runt...it might be fasciated? The stem is not flat, but is extremely thick. It has loads of buds coming and appears they are circled around leaves throughout the center. I think it is a double pink bloom.
Glad you posted, it reminded me to check on mine. The stems are still holding up with being split into 5 parts.
