Ficus leaf curl and damage

Evanston, IL

I have a healthy ficus plant that has for years shown a curl on some leaves. The curl can be very slight or it can progress to destruction of the leaf tissue, giving the impression that it has been eaten. The majority of leaves are fine, but this problem has not gone away even with removal of all affected leaves. Though it looks like it might be insect damage, I can find no insects. The problem always occurs on the edge of the leaf.

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Bay City, MI(Zone 6a)

A pretty sure bet it's related to a deficiency of one or more of Ca, Mn, or Zn (calcium, manganese or zinc) that can be caused by an actual scarcity of those elements in the soil solution, cultural conditions in the rhizosphere preventing efficient uptake of those nutrients, or an excess of an antagonist causing an antagonistic deficiency.

What are you fertilizing with? How much? How often? Are you watering while you can still see or otherwise detect moisture in the top few inches of the soil/root mass? What soil are you using? Have you used any Epsom salts on the plant?

Al

Evanston, IL

I haven't used any fertilizer. The soil is potting soil. I've monitored water carefully and give the plant only enough to keep it from drooping. It's in a crockery pot and stands about 3 feet tall. It is growing vigorously directly under a skylight and has flowered.

Wouldn't a nutrient deficiency cause all the leaves to show varying degrees of the problem? The majority of leaves are not deformed.

Bay City, MI(Zone 6a)

Wouldn't a nutrient deficiency cause all the leaves to show varying degrees of the problem? No. Some nutrients are very mobile in plant tissues (N, P, K, Mg), so in the case of a deficiency the plant is able to rob nutrients from existing tissues with which it can build new growth. Other nutrients are considered immobile (Ca + the micronutrients except Cl, Mo, and Ni) and must be in the nutrient stream at all times if the plant is to grow normally. Ca is considered immobile, and Mn and Zn are considered immobile to moderately mobile. These happen to be the 3 nutrients that cause the type of deformed growth your plant shows, which is why I singled out those nutrients.

It looks very much like a Ca issue to me, but there is a problem that needs to be explained with that suggestion. In bagged container media, Ca and Mg are supplied by the addition of dolomitic lime, which also adjusts media pH to less acidic levels. The Mg fraction of dolomite is about 125X more soluble than Mg, so a Mg deficiency is usually made manifest before a Ca deficiency except under a certain cultural condition - saturated soil. If you're watering your plant while you can still see or detect the soil is still damp, that's probably what's occurring - a culturally induced Ca deficiency due to a lack of O2 in the rhizosphere (root zone). Calcium is absorbed only by young root tips in which the cell walls of the epidermis are unsuberized. Once a suberin layer develops in these cells, water and calcium can no longer be absorbed. Suberin is a waxy substance through which water and nutrients cannot move. These deposits form what is known as the Casparian strip. Excess soil moisture and a lack of oxygen results in the development of this suberin layer - probably what you're seeing.

I would:
* Make sure you have your watering regimen under control. Schefflera tolerates (doesn't LIKE, but TOLERATES) dry conditions rather well, so it's better to grow this plant on the dry side than to keep it wet.
* Flush the soil with air temperature water when it next needs water and fertilize with a soluble fertilizer that contains Ca and Mg - almost NONE do. Foliage-Pro 9-3-6 is an excellent choice for your 'go to' fertilizer. I use it on everything I grow, and the many photos I've posted bear witness to its efficacy. It has nutrients in a ratio that mimics average plant usage, is immediately available, and gets most of it's N from nitrate sources and none from urea, which helps keep plants compact and full.
Give the plant all the light it wants. It will enjoy full sun outdoors, and indoors too if you keep a fan moving air to disrupt the boundary layer (of air surrounding the leaves) during periods of direct intense light.

That's about it, unless you have other ?s.

Edited to say: Pardon me. I glanced at the small photos w/o looking at them in close-up view. The last picture looks like a scheff, and I thought YOU had misidentified, but it was my error. Everything I said still holds, except your Ficus won't take it quite as dry as a scheff w/o complaint. Pardon my error, please.


Al



This message was edited Jul 22, 2015 9:55 PM

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Evanston, IL

I'll take a look for a fertilizer with those ingredients. Thanks.

San Francisco, CA

That's not a Ficus; its Ardisia eliptica. Treat accordingly.

Evanston, IL

Quote from Vestia :
That's not a Ficus; its Ardisia eliptica. Treat accordingly.

Thank you very much, you nailed the type of plant. Now I can try to find out the affliction. It is now three feet high, is doing fine but still has the problem of the occasional severely curled leaf. A thrip trap had no effect.

Liberty Hill, TX(Zone 8a)

Have you seen any webbing?

Vaughan, ON

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Dubai, United Arab Emirates

Quote from tapla :
Wouldn't a nutrient deficiency cause all the leaves to show varying degrees of the problem? No. Some nutrients are very mobile in plant tissues (N, P, K, Mg), so in the case of a deficiency the plant is able to rob nutrients from existing tissues with which it can build new growth. Other nutrients are considered immobile (Ca + the micronutrients except Cl, Mo, and Ni) and must be in the nutrient stream at all times if the plant is to grow normally. Ca is considered immobile, and Mn and Zn are considered immobile to moderately mobile. These happen to be the 3 nutrients that cause the type of deformed growth your plant shows, which is why I singled out those nutrients.

It looks very much like a Ca issue to me, but there is a problem that needs to be explained with that suggestion. In bagged container media, Ca and Mg are supplied by the addition of dolomitic lime, which also adjusts media pH to less acidic levels. The Mg fraction of dolomite is about 125X more soluble than Mg, so a Mg deficiency is usually made manifest before a Ca deficiency except under a certain cultural condition - saturated soil. If you're watering your plant while you can still see or detect the soil is still damp, that's probably what's occurring - a culturally induced Ca deficiency due to a lack of O2 in the rhizosphere (root zone). Calcium is absorbed only by young root tips in which the cell walls of the epidermis are unsuberized. Once a suberin layer develops in these cells, water and calcium can no longer be absorbed. Suberin is a waxy substance through which water and nutrients cannot move. These deposits form what is known as the Casparian strip. Excess soil moisture and a lack of oxygen results in the development of this suberin layer - probably what you're seeing.

I would:
* Make sure you have your watering regimen under control. Schefflera tolerates (doesn't LIKE, but TOLERATES) dry conditions rather well, so it's better to grow this plant on the dry side than to keep it wet.
* Flush the soil with air temperature water when it next needs water and fertilize with a soluble fertilizer that contains Ca and Mg - almost NONE do. Foliage-Pro 9-3-6 is an excellent choice for your 'go to' fertilizer. I use it on everything I grow, and the many photos I've posted bear witness to its efficacy. It has nutrients in a ratio that mimics average plant usage, is immediately available, and gets most of it's N from nitrate sources and none from urea, which helps keep plants compact and full.
Give the plant all the light it wants. It will enjoy full sun outdoors, and indoors too if you keep a fan moving air to disrupt the boundary layer (of air surrounding the leaves) during periods of direct intense light.

That's about it, unless you have other ?s.

Edited to say: Pardon me. I glanced at the small photos w/o looking at them in close-up view. The last picture looks like a scheff, and I thought YOU had misidentified, but it was my error. Everything I said still holds, except your Ficus won't take it quite as dry as a scheff w/o complaint. Pardon my error, please.


Al



This message was edited Jul 22, 2015 9:55 PM



Jesus! And this is all about plants???

Thank you for such thorough explanation.

I am having xactly the same problem as in the 3rd picture on my Ficus Amstel King.

4 meter tree, staying outdoors in plastic pot in scorching temperatures. I water once a week, about 2 gallons. It has good drainage. The water left in tray evaporates same day.

I did rejuvenation cutting (I cut almost all the leaves and branches to make it small) in March. They grew back very fast -- within a month.

I might have overfertilized with NPK, I am not sure. But I am not fertilizing the plant last 3 months.

I ordered what you suggested (along with the education).

My question: Is it possible to give too much water even when the plant has drainage and sitting outside at 50C temperatures?

Many thanks!

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