Watchdog 30

J.L. Hudson, Seedsman

Seed Exchange or Seedbank

P.O. Box 337
La Honda, California 94020 (United States)
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Positive
On May 5, 2023, Cliviaman (11 reviews) from Chagrin Falls, OH

GREAT company. Quality seed, fast service, great value for the dollar.

Positive
On Dec 14, 2022, Pinguicula (27 reviews) from Sitka, AK (Zone 7a)

Love buying seed from here! I've never been disappointed. This spring just for fun I grew several flats that were all the same species but each row was from a different supplier. I was really surprised at the difference in germination rates and vigor. Seed from JL Hudson was superior to the big name companies every time.

Positive
On Mar 30, 2022, DonnaMack (69 reviews) from Elgin, IL (Zone 5a)

Posted on February 4, 2019, updated March 30, 2022 Posted on January 10, 2018, updated February 4, 2019 Posted on April 27, 2017, updated January 10, 2018 Posted on March 30, 2017, updated April 27, 2017 Posted on May 23, 2015, updated March 30, 2017 Posted on January 5, 2014, updated May 23, 2015 Posted on May 7, 2012, updated January 5, 2014 Posted on December 20, 2002, updated May 7, 2012 I have ordered from J. L. Hudson for the last four years and have been very pleased. The germination rate, if the instructions are followed, is in excess of 95% for the perennials and annuals I have started from seed. Unlike most catalogues, this one specifies the expected rate (50%, for example, which allows you to adjust the amount you sow) and just how difficult or easy the germination process will be, so you can decide whether it is worth a go. The prices are unbelievably low; (the "expensive" ones are $2.00 a pack) and I have had the opportunity to grow plants that you may have heard described and never seen, or grow a different variant on a familiar plant. As an example, Platycodon grandiflorus (blue ballooon flower) is in every catalogue - but is Perlemutter (mother of pearl with dark pink lines - much more rare, and beautiful, that Fuji Pink) or the white version? And the postage is $1.00 for up to 20 packets! Given the high quality and germination rates, the low prices and the cheap postage, not to mention the sometimes rare and normally expensive varieties, this may be the best bargain in seeds.


On May 7th, 2012, DonnaMack added the following: Although the prices have gone up just a bit since I wrote my last review, I have continued to be very pleased with my dealings with JL Hudson. I was sent an email confirming my order, and told when it would ship. They are still the best bargain in seeds. I ordered some seeds from their supplemental catalog, and they arrived promptly, well packaged and with generous amounts of seed. It's a pleasure doing business with them.
On January 5th, 2014, DonnaMack added the following: What I do not include above is that I have ordered year after year from this wonderful company, enjoying unique seeds (salvia ssp. tesquicola, anyone?) and 100% customer satisfaction, and I would like to mention the latter today. I placed an order through Paypal, and one of the seeds that I wanted was unavailable. I got a message from Paypal about my refund, and when I went to my email account the Nice people at JL Hudson informed me which seed was out of stock, and mentioned that the refund had been sent. And the funds are in my account. No waiting, no delays. And since the seed I was after is, for some reason, becoming rare (cerinth Honeywort) I was very pleased to be able to order it immediately from the only company I could find that stocks it. How cool is that?
On May 23rd, 2015, DonnaMack added the following: I would like to add that I have just germinated JL Hudson seed from 2008. Yes, I keep it in the fridge but germination on OLD seed is in excess of 90%.
On March 30th, 2017, DonnaMack added the following: Another happy year of ordering from J.L. Hudson. I am stunned to read my old reviews and realizing that I have been ordering since 1998, the year I purchased my first single family home. I find that I fall in love with new plants and can get the excellent seed from this great company easily and inexpensively. Things that are very expensive to buy as plants, things that are unavailable elsewhere (salvia ssp. tesquicola) things that I want a billion of - all are easily obtainable. I love being able to copy the descriptions into an email, add up the numbers with my address and name, send it off and go to Paypal. It's actually the fastest and easiest ordering process out there. Thank you, J.L Hudson. No one is better.
On April 27th, 2017, DonnaMack added the following: One more comment. I just germinated platycodon perlmutter seed purchased from J.L. Hudson in the year 2000. Of 12 seeds, I got (so far) 5 viable seedlings that I have potted up. What a great company!
On January 10th, 2018, DonnaMack added the following: I placed an order yesterday on email. I received an email from the fine people at JL Hudson 10 hours later that my order had been shipped, and apologized for an out of stock seed (and honestly, they had listed it as out of stock on the website) and my Paypal refund for those seeds has been sent. I have been ordering since 1998. I love these guys.
On February 4th, 2019, DonnaMack added the following: My 2019 order included some seeds so unusual that I had to look them up to see how they appeared. JL Hudson is one of the very few sites that does not boost its prices for unusual seeds (I have more than one that is not in commerce). I was so intrigued by some of the choices (salvia I had never heard of), and so pleased that some of the seeds I wanted cost less than half of other sites, that I ordered far more than I anticipated, and as usual the seeds were promptly sent and excellently packaged. They are wonderful!
On March 30th, 2022, DonnaMack added the following: Once again, I received phenomenal seeds from this great company. I will often see a plant in a garden center and go on their site to find that I can grow it myself. Just one of the dozens of examples is Malva sylvestris var. mauritiana. Want to buy it? it's $16.00 a plant. Platycodon perlemutter? Unavailable, so I just germinated some seed I bought in 2012 from these wonderful people. I just sent some of their seeds to a person who is reestablishing a garden after a move. She is so please that she is ordering the catalog. I just have to comment on a comment I just read about JL's political views. They have been clearly stated FOREVER. I have been ordering since 1998 and the political viewpoints have always been on the website and in the catalog. I am very pleased that these great people stood their ground and are removing that individual from their mailing lists.

Negative
On Mar 17, 2022, excellentjohn (7 reviews) from Zone 5B, PA

I really want to order from this site again but after I placed my order, I had second thoughts. All of a sudden the company went political. PLEASE DON’T mix politics with business. I don’t understand companies that do this. At first I dismissed the catalog for making what might have been taken two ways. Everybody is tired of supply chain issues but simply say that (I get it) but then after I placed my order, they went full rogue on their web site. I didn’t appreciate that. I actually told friends last year to order from this company because of the good germination of seeds but they refused to this year because of the blatant political statements that were on their site and I get it. I highly suggest JLH Seeds keeps its political views, statements and hate out of their catalogs and web site. Nobody wants to hear it. I truly believe people turn to gardening for an escape from this crazy world. I won’t again order from JLH if this keeps up. As it is, once these seeds come up, I have to think, hmmm, the company that sent me these seeds is full of political hate. Stop it please.


Company representative comment on March 17, 2022:
On Mar 17, 2022 1:27 PM, J.L. Hudson, Seedsman responded with:

"Political hate"? Judge for yourself: [HYPERLINK@www.jlhudsonseeds.net]
Follow the link below the Martin Luther King and Ghandi quotes.

"All of a sudden" we went political? We have been political since day one, 49 years ago. When governments invade our gardens, we respond. We have been at the forefront of the world-wide seed freedom movement, opposing the government and corporate 'big ag' (Monsanto) control of seeds, gardening, and farming.

Emails and letters are running ten to one in support of our positions.

Send me your name and address, so I can be sure to remove you from our mailing list. We don't want to supply seeds to people who hate freedom.

Positive
On Aug 7, 2020, CraftyFox (1 reviews) from Kimberly, WI (Zone 5a)

Reading thru the catalog descriptions and other botanical related insights has always been one of my favorite things about this company. The seed is pretty awesome too.. One of the first places I look to make my purchases. 20+years I've known about this company. Still have my 1999 catalog somewhere.. Because they are a collectible.

Positive
On Jun 21, 2020, jadevinegarden (2 reviews) from Philo, CA

Twenty years of growing seeds from J.L. Hudson and the wonder and delight has not diminished! Their offerings are so interesting and the quantity/price is great.

Positive
On Jun 14, 2020, DesertTreeLady (1 reviews) from Victoria, BC (Zone 7a)

Been dealing with them for many years......just a terrific resource...fast..friendly..honest..efficient

Positive
On Apr 25, 2020, Basil989 (11 reviews) from Pueblo, CO (Zone 5b)

Posted on January 10, 2019, updated April 25, 2020 When I think of J.L. Hudson, Seedsman, I picture the popular internet GIF of Robert Redford as Jeremiah Johnson from the movie . . . Jeremiah Johnson, where he is looking into the camera and giving the slightest little affirming nod. It's not hard to mythologize Mr. Hudson, since when I stumbled onto his website I felt like I had immediately received the answer to a question I didn't even know I had been looking for. To get it out of the way, yes, his seed is great. The selection is mind-mindbogglingly amazing. I literally learn something new every time I browse through the catalog. The prices and shipping costs are also extremely fair, shockingly so. I've order more than once now and he is a man of his word- he notifies within the given time frame, he ships on time, it's packed well, and my orders have always been correct. The info on the packet is specific and helpful as well. What I really love though, is the no-nonsense, respect based approach to what he does. Read the directions, follow them, no problems. I love, love, love his approach to environmentalism, diversity, and the practicality he infuses into not only everything he writes about, but to the catalog itself, as well as the website and the way it operates. No nonsense, just facts, mutual respect, and a love of plants. Along with one other sort of science-minded esoteric seed website, he has quickly shot to the absolute top of my favorite seed sellers (can you tell? lol). But honestly, to find someone who truly cares so much, who finds such a balance between scientific facts, ideals, and the reality of having to live in this world, and yet also finds a way to manage a well-run seed bank in the midst of all that . . . what a treasure.


On April 25th, 2020, Basil989 added the following: Placed another large order. I tend to order from a lot of places at once, like a dozen or so companies. Hudson's arrived second. Dang, they're good. No mistakes, perfectly packed, and I love seeing what interesting stamps will be included on the package. The selection, as always, is STUNNING. I'm like a kid in a candy store. If I have a new obsession, The Seedsman is ready to meet me at my level. This time I was interested in caudex forming plants. I was able to get more than enough varieties to satisfy that urge to experiment. He had plenty of succulents and cacti too, of which I am always looking for, as well as things on my "need" list, like snapdragons. He even had a couple from my "dream" list. "He", lol. Can't help it. I know it's more than one person at this point. As always, I stand by everything stated in my first post. J.L. Hudson remains one of my top three favorite seed stores.

Positive
On Jun 26, 2019, kolomikta (3 reviews) from Somerville, MA

As far as I'm concerned, Mr. Hudson and Ms. Calkins should get the Nobel Prize. For what, I'm not sure...ethnobotany? literature? Their catalog is one of the two or three best sources of plant (and general) knowledge I've encountered. I read it regularly and repeatedly, cover to cover. They completely changed my mind on the "native plant" movement, and made me love George Orwell even more than I did. I also have a lot of respect for their refusal to adhere to the non-human, inhuman, inhumane way business is done lately.

Positive
On Oct 23, 2018, BecLux (1 reviews) from Newport, PA

JL Hudson is the best for price & quality. Excellent customer communication. I have been buying milkweed seeds from them for many years & they never dissapoint.

Positive
On Mar 27, 2018, TigerLilMcD (1 reviews) from Klamath Falls, OR

Posted on February 16, 2017, updated March 27, 2018 I've been doing business with JL Hudson for a number of years - they never disappoint! Orders are always received promptly - and a public access seed bank is an excellent cause to support. The website is full of helpful information and the seeds are always quality, with outstanding germination rates.


On March 27th, 2018, TigerLilMcD added the following: They just keep going - getting even better! I placed an email order on Monday & received a note that my order had been shipped on Tuesday evening.... They continue to expand seed selections & I have confidence in the honesty of the 'bank. I just love this place!

Positive
On Mar 8, 2018, lorettalea (5 reviews) from Moscow, TN

I placed two(2) orders from J L Hudson for the 2018 growing season and as usual, they have exceeded my expectations. This is my 16th year of ordering from J L Hudson. I have never been disappointed nor have I ever had to contact them after placing my order for any reason. I always choose my seeds from their online site, therefore I have never ordered anything that was out of stock, as they update regularly. Great selection, good value and the most economical shipping costs.

Positive
On Feb 28, 2018, SharonVile (1 reviews) from Odessa, MO

I've been ordering from J.L. Hudson for over 30 years. The catalog is an invaluable source for both old favorites and unusual seeds and contains much valuable information. I've learned a lot, just from reading this catalog over the years. I also appreciate that seeds are listed by their scientific names. I recently ordered sea kale from another source (Gurney's), but closer investigation revealed that the seeds I had ordered were not true sea kale. I was able to find seeds for true sea kale (Crambe maritima) in the J.L. Hudson catalog. I kind of appreciate being forced to learn the scientific names for plants. I've found this to be useful. I also appreciate that the correct pronunciations are offered. I don't remember ever having a problem with J.L. Hudson's products or service.

Negative
On Feb 19, 2018, RoseyQ (8 reviews) from Pueblo West, CO (Zone 5b)

Posted on April 5, 2012, updated February 19, 2018 Posted on December 17, 2006, updated April 5, 2012 I like this company very much.


On April 5th, 2012, RoseyQ changed the rating from positive to neutral and added the following: The reason why I am not ordering from them this year is becuase it's too much work to place an order. You have to send them an email with cut and pasted decriptions of what you want, the quanity and price, add it all up, figure the correct shipping fee, send them the email request, then you have to pay through PayPal. It's a two-step process. They really do make ordering alot of work for their customers and I find no other seed companies ask this of their customers in order to sell seeds. Maybe they could look at the other top 5 companies at the Garden Watchdog and see how they recieve and process orders online.
On February 19th, 2018, RoseyQ changed the rating from neutral to negative and added the following: Placed an order through paypal in 2017. It was just an $8 order however I have been a customer of J.L. Hudson for many years and spent lots of money on seeds. The problem began when my paypal statement stated that I needed to 'reorder'. I thought that the first order had been placed with no problem but after reading the 'reorder' note on my statement I reordered. In the meantime my order arrived. I notified the company right away through email (because they don't have a telephone) and told them the problem, that paypal was telling me to reorder when it was not necessary. The email I received from them was nothing short of RUDE. They said it was PayPal's fault, not theirs and to seek my refund through paypal. It took more than a month for J.L. Hudson to return the money for a duplicate order, which I never received. After all the years I've been purchasing seed, that's the customer service they gave me. I'm glad it was for a small amount of money because they probably wouldn't have refunded my money without the help from paypal. I will not use this company ever again because of how nasty and self-righteous customer service was to me. Note to J.L. Hudson: We have plenty of other seed companies to choose from who won't waste our time with snotty, indifferent replies to legitimate customer concerns.
Company representative comment on February 20, 2018:
On Feb 20, 2018 4:19 PM, J.L. Hudson, Seedsman responded with:

This seems to be a case of a glitch at PayPal, and consequent mis-communication.

There was a lot of confusion over this payment, most of which seems to have come from PayPal. What happened is that in May 2017 we received a duplicate payment for a small order we had just mailed to RosieQ; the same day we received the second payment we also got a notice from PayPal that there was a "dispute" on this same payment. We checked it in our PayPal account and discovered that because they had received a dispute notice from the person who sent the payment (RosieQ), they would not let us simply refund the duplicate payment. They, PayPal, would go through their dispute process, and when done, they would allow us to refund the payment if that is how they decided the matter. Until then, the funds were frozen, and we could not refund until the dispute process was over.

We had heard nothing from RosieQ about this second payment, or why she had "disputed" it. We sent her this email, explaining as well as we could what had happened:

From: Orders at J L Hudson Seeds
Sent: Saturday, May 6, 2017 6:54 PM
To: loupgarou Q
Subject: PayPal refund for your latest payment

Hi Jane,

We received a notice from PayPal about a "disputed" payment made to us by yourself on May 6, for $8.75. It looks like this was just a mistake on your part, that you accidentally made a duplicate payment to us.

The original order which you paid $8.75 for on May 2 was just mailed to you on Friday May 5th, then this new payment for the same amount was made on May 6, and we got the notice about the "dispute".

It seems PayPal will refund the money to you after a waiting period, and that's fine with us. I just wanted to let you know that if you had emailed us and told us that it was a mistake, we would have refunded the second payment immediately, no waiting period. It's all fine since PayPal should send a refund anyway, but it would be quicker and simpler to just let us know directly.

So, we will just let PayPal do the refund when it is ready. No problem!

--Sheri Calkins
--

J.L. Hudson, Seedsman
P.O. Box 337
La Honda, CA 94020-0337

This is the reply we received from RosieQ:

"Your customers will make mistakes. You will make mistakes. No need to be so self-righteous in your reply. I've ordered from JL Hudson for years. Hope I can continue to do so. Paypal attached a note to the confirmation to 'reorder'. What does that sound like to you? That your initial order may not have gone through? Lose the attitude."

I am really puzzled that she found our reply rude or self-righteous - I think we just explained the situation. For some reason email is notorious for causing people to misunderstand the content.

It seems that PayPal told her to 'reorder', which caused the second payment. We did not request a second payment. This was the first we had heard that PayPal told her to reorder. So this seems to have been some sort of glitch on PayPal's part. Unfortunately, because she did not contact us directly, but went to PayPal and filed a 'dispute', this froze the funds and PayPal would not allow us to refund the payment, which caused the delay.

I'm very sorry that she felt our reply was rude, but I cannot find anything in our reply that was rude. We just explained the situation. People sometimes accidentally send a duplicate payment because of various glitches in the PayPal system, and we always immediately return the payment. Unfortunately because of the 'dispute' status, PayPal froze the funds and we were not able to return the payment until they resolved the 'dispute'.

I'm sorry she is apparently still angry over this minor confusion caused by PayPal and which we had no control over.

She states:

"I notified the company right away through email (because they don't have a telephone) and told them the problem, that paypal was telling me to reorder when it was not necessary."

We never received any e-mail from her about this. We save all emails, and do not have a spam folder, and searches show no email like this. Unfortunately she did not contact us about this.

She states:

"They said it was PayPal's fault, not theirs and to seek my refund through paypal. It took more than a month for J.L. Hudson to return the money for a duplicate order, which I never received."

PayPal would not let us send a refund because of the 'dispute' status - the delay was caused by PayPal, not us. We did not tell her to "seek her refund through paypal" - the reader can see for themselves that this does not appear in our email to her.

She states:

"I'm glad it was for a small amount of money because they probably wouldn't have refunded my money without the help from paypal."

As we told her in our first email, we could have refunded right away if it were not for the 'dispute' status - our hands were tied. I doubt we could have remained in business for 108 years, and 45 years under my ownership, if we did things like this.

Of course everyone makes mistakes, which is why we should all be more relaxed about things like this. We have no problem with RosieQ, and we are sorry for the confusion - again, due to PayPal - and regret that she is still so upset over this, so many months later. We leave it to the reader to decide if we were rude, or if we could have done anything better in this situation. We stand on our reputation and our high standards of service which are reflected in the other reviews.

Positive
On Jan 9, 2018, MissFish (1 reviews) from Healdsburg, CA

I LOVE THESE GUYS!!! Serious chops! They shipped my order within 24 hours of receiving it. Plus loads of tips and info on their website. They know their stuff!

Positive
On Dec 23, 2017, JOHNFREEMAN (14 reviews) from Seven Lakes, NC

Having boughtseeds for 60 years from every sort of deale, finding and buying from Hudson has been the finest experience of seed buying I've ever experienced.Theysell unusual seeds hardly available elsewhere as well as common useful seeds.And, the service! Perfect.Germination on my last order was superb and the flowers were gorgeous.The tiny shipping charges are very unusual in a world where other seed companies apparently attempt to squeeze customers for every nickle possible! I hope Hudson endures longer than I will so will never have to deal with other seed companies.

Positive
On Jun 6, 2017, dcrisman47 (2 reviews) from Chickamauga, GA

Seeds are very reasonably priced and always fresh. It is a real pleasure to germinate them. The PayPal ordering system is straightforward and simple to use. Thanks for continuing to do a great job!

Positive
On May 18, 2017, KanapahaLEW (20 reviews) from Alachua, FL (Zone 8b)

This company has the most amazing selection of seeds -- lots and lots of very unusual seeds that you can't find anywhere else. And germination is usually excellent. I have been ordering from them for many years and have yet to be disappointed by the seeds or the service. As another poster mentioned, I can copy my selections out of the online listing, paste into an email, pay with Paypal, and my seeds will be in my hands in a matter of a few days despite being on the other side of the US from them.

Positive
On May 17, 2017, Camieux (3 reviews) from Doylestown, PA

Seeds ordered this year and last year were sent promptly. I had just about 100% germination. I am very happy with the seed selection, far surpasses the ordinary usually offered.

Positive
On Apr 1, 2017, treehugger53ah (1 reviews) from Minneapolis, MN

Been ordering for years. The seeds do well and customer service always has time for my odd questions.

Positive
On Mar 20, 2017, purplethorns (7 reviews) from Streetsboro, OH (Zone 5b)

Have ordered from this company for years. Have received orders in 2016 and 2017 and am still happy with this company. Always try the unique seeds offered, that you won't find anywhere else. Don,t buy common vegetables and flowers as they are boring for me Seeds sent have at least an 80% germination, which I think is good. Use a potting soil mix I created to fit the needs of the seeds I order. Never fails for me...Awesome selection of tropical plant seeds.

Positive
On Jan 17, 2017, CathleenM (1 reviews) from Fairfield, PA

JL Hudson has been one of my favorite seed companies for years. I like that all of their seeds are open pollinated, so that I can grow my own seed. Their catalog is always fun to browse. They have many varieties that you don't see in other places. And the seed packet prices and shipping are very reasonable. Highly recommended!

Positive
On Dec 14, 2016, Rhobo (2 reviews) from Denver, CO (Zone 6a)

Love this company! I've placed 7 orders since discovering them a couple of years ago and never a problem of any kind. They have a fantastic variety of seeds and the seed prices and postage charges are very reasonable.

Positive
On May 25, 2016, bunnyholmes (1 reviews) from Beaverdam, VA

The best seed company I know. They set my business apart from all my peers. I've been buying from them since the 80's. Never had a problem. You will LOVE them! Quick response time too, the best in the business...

Positive
On Apr 30, 2016, Ruth_MI (6 reviews) from Northville, MI

Posted on March 22, 2011, updated April 30, 2016 Posted on April 22, 2007, updated March 22, 2011 Wanted to bulk order some seeds, and found them here for a reasonable price. Arrived in about a week from the time I ordered. Will order from them again.


On March 22nd, 2011, Ruth_MI added the following: ordered from them again in 2011 and once again received fast shipping and good value.
On April 30th, 2016, Ruth_MI added the following: Continue to order from JL Hudson. Still happy with seeds and shipping times. Seeds germinate well.

Neutral
On Apr 3, 2016, gourdobean (14 reviews) from Minden, NV (Zone 5a)

Posted on April 4, 2016, updated April 4, 2016 Can't figure out how to get in touch with this company. They're mailing list is compromised in some way and individuals are getting ALL email requests to get catalogs. I am getting inundated with emails. I hope they address this problem soon, plus I have the emails of all the people who are emailing them and they have mine, NOT GOOD. PS I really like this company and will take this down as soon as I know they are addressing the problem.


On April 3rd, 2016, gourdobean changed the rating from negative to neutral and added the following: If I click on your Dave's Garden hyperlink I get a warning Possible Phishing Site and an explanation of what a phishing site is. Apparently your hyperlink is having problems and may have been compromised. Sorry for your troubles. Thanks for addressing the problem with the emails so quickly.
Company representative comment on April 3, 2016:
On Apr 3, 2016 7:41 PM, J.L. Hudson, Seedsman responded with:

Sorry, I've just been hammered by technical problems outside my control!

This was a problem with servers and e-mail programs - I NEVER would do this deliberately! I hate spam, and have a very strong, clear privacy policy posted on our website. We NEVER share our client's e-mails. I hate spam - every day I have to waste time deleting hundreds of spam e-mails every day.

In fact the whole point of the bulk e-mailing that went wrong was to let people OPT-OUT of getting e-mails - to reduce unnecessary e-mails!

The mailing list software on my host screwed up - I had clearly set it up to NEVER send any messages without admin approval, saved the settings, and logged out. I don't know how it switched itself to an open list where everyone got every message sent to it. I've done this before, and never had this kind of problem. ALL messages should have been held for approval by the moderator.

I always use BCC (Blind Carbon Copy) when mailing to a list! The other e-mail addresses should never have shown up and been visible to others. This was definitely a problem with the servers at my host. The prior mailing also had server problems. A total snafu all around.

I've gone into the interface and deleted ALL e-mail addresses from the server, so nothing further can be sent through the list.

I hope people will visit my privacy policy page at http://www.jlhudsonseeds.net/Privacy.htm and digital privacy info at http://www.jlhudsonseeds.net/Links.htm#Privacy. We use no cookies on our site, so you are not tracked, and our mailing list and other records (except e-mail, obviously) are maintained in a physically-isolated computer with no internet or network connection—hackers and viruses cannot obtain access to it. We do not sell, rent, or give away our postal mailing list, and we do not spam, and we do not sell, rent, or give away your e-mail address.

My understanding is that "spam" is unsolicited e-mail to persons who have never contacted a business. E-mails to persons who have an existing or past business relationship is generally not considered "spam", and the whole point of the e-mail in question was to ask people to let us know if they do not want to receive e-mails notifying them that a new seed list has been uploaded to the website. To quote from the e-mail itself:

"Please either Opt-In or Opt-Out of these emails. Just hit 'reply' and say opt-in or opt-out in the subject line or in the e-mail body."

"Opt-in means you will receive only TWO e-mails per year, notifying you when the yearly catalog is uploaded on the website, and a second one when the spring seedlist is uploaded."

"Opt-out means that we will NOT send you these notifications, and will ONLY e-mail you if there is a question about your order or about your postal mailing address."

That said, in the past we have had spammers (mostly in Russia and Nigeria) forge our address and send out e-mails with our return address, so we will go through a few days of getting hundreds (or thousands) of bounced mails. Fortunately these are sent to general mass mailing lists, not to our clients, as we haven't ever had our computers hacked and our emails harvested. So our clients haven't had problems with this.

Anyway, apologies to all who were annoyed by this snafu!

I hate e-mail. In fact, I really hate email. This has been one of those days when I consider just driving my tractor over this computer and just walking away from all this tech nonsense!

Neutral
On Apr 3, 2016, BBrandon77 (17 reviews) from Knoxville, TN (Zone 7a)

Posted on April 3, 2016, updated April 3, 2016 Beware! This company just sent my email address and many many other customer's email addresses to everyone on their mailing list! IMO, this is beyond irresponsible. If you do consider doing business with this company, DON'T GIVE THEM YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS!


On April 3rd, 2016, BBrandon77 changed the rating from negative to neutral and added the following: I got another email explaining that the problem was more complex and technical rather than an oversight, so I am changing my rating to Neutral. I am concerned that this whole thing happened, but I guess sometimes technology is just a pain.
Company representative comment on April 3, 2016:
On Apr 3, 2016 7:43 PM, J.L. Hudson, Seedsman responded with:

Sorry, I've just been hammered by technical problems outside my control!

This was a problem with servers and e-mail programs - I NEVER would do this deliberately! I hate spam, and have a very strong, clear privacy policy posted on our website. We NEVER share our client's e-mails. I hate spam - every day I have to waste time deleting hundreds of spam e-mails every day.

In fact the whole point of the bulk e-mailing that went wrong was to let people OPT-OUT of getting e-mails - to reduce unnecessary e-mails!

The mailing list software on my host screwed up - I had clearly set it up to NEVER send any messages without admin approval, saved the settings, and logged out. I don't know how it switched itself to an open list where everyone got every message sent to it. I've done this before, and never had this kind of problem. ALL messages should have been held for approval by the moderator.

I always use BCC (Blind Carbon Copy) when mailing to a list! The other e-mail addresses should never have shown up and been visible to others. This was definitely a problem with the servers at my host. The prior mailing also had server problems. A total snafu all around.

I've gone into the interface and deleted ALL e-mail addresses from the server, so nothing further can be sent through the list.

I hope people will visit my privacy policy page at http://www.jlhudsonseeds.net/Privacy.htm and digital privacy info at http://www.jlhudsonseeds.net/Links.htm#Privacy. We use no cookies on our site, so you are not tracked, and our mailing list and other records (except e-mail, obviously) are maintained in a physically-isolated computer with no internet or network connection—hackers and viruses cannot obtain access to it. We do not sell, rent, or give away our postal mailing list, and we do not spam, and we do not sell, rent, or give away your e-mail address.

My understanding is that "spam" is unsolicited e-mail to persons who have never contacted a business. E-mails to persons who have an existing or past business relationship is generally not considered "spam", and the whole point of the e-mail in question was to ask people to let us know if they do not want to receive e-mails notifying them that a new seed list has been uploaded to the website. To quote from the e-mail itself:

"Please either Opt-In or Opt-Out of these emails. Just hit 'reply' and say opt-in or opt-out in the subject line or in the e-mail body."

"Opt-in means you will receive only TWO e-mails per year, notifying you when the yearly catalog is uploaded on the website, and a second one when the spring seedlist is uploaded."

"Opt-out means that we will NOT send you these notifications, and will ONLY e-mail you if there is a question about your order or about your postal mailing address."

That said, in the past we have had spammers (mostly in Russia and Nigeria) forge our address and send out e-mails with our return address, so we will go through a few days of getting hundreds (or thousands) of bounced mails. Fortunately these are sent to general mass mailing lists, not to our clients, as we haven't ever had our computers hacked and our emails harvested. So our clients haven't had problems with this.

Anyway, apologies to all who were annoyed by this snafu!

I hate e-mail. In fact, I really hate email. This has been one of those days when I consider just driving my tractor over this computer and just walking away from all this tech nonsense!

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On Mar 8, 2016, jagrogan (8 reviews) from Somerset, KY (Zone 6b)

Well, I don't honestly know that the evergreen huckleberries, vaccinum ovatum, will sprout for me in Zone 6b in Somerset, Kentucky but I was very pleased to is was so easy to order the seeds to try from Hudson. They are friendly and efficient. It remains to be seen if that type of huckleberry will grow here if I do get the seed to sprout, if it does I will foundation plant around the north and northeast side of my house with them and part way down the driveway where all the shade is. I will later order about 10 start plants though for in from of the living room picture window. Oh, and I ordered 2 packs. One pack is going in the freezer til next January when I will try to start those.

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On Mar 7, 2016, Missyinbama (37 reviews) from Wetumpka, AL (Zone 8a)

I absolutely love this company's seed selection. If you want colorful photos, don't bother requesting the catalog. The physical catalog doesn't have photos, but it does have a wonderful seed selection with basic growing information. While the online catalog listings include a few photos, they really aren't designed for beginning gardeners who need in depth growing information. If you're just starting out you may want to use the online catalog listings and google the photos and growing conditions of each plant before ordering. Overall this is one of my favorite companies; I'm able to get seeds for plants I couldn't otherwise get locally. I look forward to doing more business with them.

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On Feb 29, 2016, Maplekeys (1 reviews)

I'm another who's signed up to Dave's Garden specifically to be able to give a positive review for JL Hudson! I've ordered from JLH for years, always easy, always fast, always excellent germination, always among the least costly -- and the wonderful catalog opens my eyes to so many things I'd never have dreamed of trying and that one never sees in "ordinary" catalogs; it's an education in itself. Over the years I've had many fine adventures thanks to the JLH folks. I can't begin to imagine the hard work it takes to maintain this many varieties, listings, orders... This is a special place, so glad it exists.

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On Jan 5, 2016, chiptree (1 reviews) from Boylston, MA (Zone 5a)

This is the first time in over forty years of doing business with JLHudson that I've had the opportunity to rate my experience with their company and products. The catalogue is worth getting just for the seed germination information, let alone all the other extraneous comments, et cetera. Whether it has been tree seeds, perennial seeds, tropical plant seeds, or vegetable seeds, the quality and quantity have always been excellent. I am a horticulturist by trade, and have worked in the industry for the last forty-nine years, so I do know what I'm talking about. If you are looking for a good source of seeds, here it is.

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On Jan 4, 2016, greenaurangabad (1 reviews) from Aurangabad,
India

I have ordered seeds from J L Hudson many times in the past. The orders were always delivered on time and without error. J L Hudson is providing a valuable service by making available a wide range of seeds. Ability to sort by plant-type e.g. tree/vines/creepers/fruit-bearing/fragrant/creepers/tropical/ .. etc and addition of a pictorial catalog would improve user-experience. Thanks for providing this great service.

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On Dec 27, 2015, RareFruit2909 (9 reviews) from Lebanon, OH

This is a good company and deserves all the positive reviews. I've ordered from them a number of times as well as provided them with fresh-harvested bloodroot and paw paw, but this is my first review. Overall, I've had great luck with their seed and have been highly satisfied with the selection, quantity and value. The occasional pack that doesn't germinate - well one has to consider that many of the wild or novel species offered may have very specific soil/light/moisture/scarification requirements and may require a more experienced grower or optimal natural conditions to break the dormancy and achieve the best results. If ordering these types of seed from any supplier, I find my success is often greatly enhanced by researching the species, habitat, and cultivation requirements in advance so that I know the do's/don'ts beforehand. Overall, a great resource and company for conserving and providing non-GMO, non-patented, open-pollinated choices for eco-conscious customers!

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On Nov 27, 2015, karrr (1 reviews) from Scotch Plains, NJ

Easy and Super quick! Very happy with my order.

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On Sep 15, 2015, DonShirer (16 reviews) from Westbrook, CT (Zone 6a)

Posted on December 29, 2006, updated September 15, 2015 I placed my first order with them last spring with mixed results. Gaura, centaurea, platycodon and lobelia did well. Several other perennials germinated but did poorly after transplanting. This may not be their fault since our soil is generally poor, and I may not have enriched it enough. Their Bulls Blood Beet and (surprisingly) Viola Tricolor did not germinate well. I may order from them again, since their catalog is quite informative, but at present I cannot give them a standing ovation.


On September 15th, 2015, DonShirer changed the rating from neutral to positive and added the following: I have received several orders from them in the years since my first comment with generally good results. Recently I placed an order for an ounce of seeds and forgot to include postage. They sent it anyway with no complaint. (I reimbursed them with my next order!) So I have upgraded my rating to positive +.
Company representative comment on February 28, 2007:

On Feb 20, 2007 8:04 PM, J.L. Hudson, Seedsman added:

Mr. Shirer placed his request January 16th, and his seeds were mailed January 20th, 2006. We heard nothing more from him until seeing his remarks on Garden Watchdog.

The seeds supplied were good - the Bull's Blood Beet had germination well over the USDA Federal Standard of 80%, and the Viola had close to its maximum germination of about 25% (see below).

When people complain to us, we don't mind - we thank them! I've always said that the rare valid complaint about seed germination is worth $1000 - if a bad lot somehow slips by our quality control program, or particular lot of seed "goes off" in between regular scheduled germination tests, and a client brings this to our attention, we can pull the lot, retest it, and stop distribution if bad. This helps prevent others from having a bad experience, and keeps our reputation intact.

Even an invalid complaint about germination is worth $100 - because by replacing the seed and explaining to the client what might have gone wrong in the sowing of the seed, we can both help the client achieve better success with seeds, and show them that the seed was not at fault, and that we take seed quality seriously.

But if the client never tells us that they had poor germination, we have no chance of making things right. Unfortunately, Mr. Shirer never contacted us at all about these seeds. We wish he had! If he had, we would have reported that the Bull's Blood Beet that he ordered in January 2006 had given 85% when tested just two months before in November 2005, and gave 92% tested June 2007, and gave 96% tested in December 2006 (yes, many seeds go up in germination for several years before they start to go down). Certainly if he had no germination, something was wrong in the conditions when he sowed them. If he had contacted us, we would have gladly sent him another packet to try, and reported to him the results of our test.

The Viola tricolor Sawyer's Black is a tricky one to germinate, and under the best of conditions it usually gives only low germination. Violas can be very tricky, some requiring a prechill, exposure to light, or treatment with GA-3 in order to get germination. Under our description of this seed, we clearly note that it has naturally low germination. Again, we would have sent him another packet with suggestions on how to get better results.

His poor results are no reflection on his skill - he got good results from the Gaura, another kind that is often tricky to germinate.

Seeds are living things and even the best among us will have unexplained failures of germination. Even in our laboratory tests under controlled conditions we sometimes have unexplainable failures, with the same seed giving good results when retested. As we pros say "Go figure!"

So I urge everyone to always, always complain, but be sure you contact the supplier FIRST - don't publicly complain about someone unless you have contacted them first, and given them a chance to fix any problem. All mail-order suppliers are concerned about their reputations, and it is unfair to diminish their reputation without contacting them first.

We are glad Mr. Shirer only gave us a "Neutral" rating (rather than Negative), and he also showed his honesty by mentioning that his soil might have been at fault.

Rule of thumb - don't publicly complain about someone until you have contacted them and given them a chance to fix whatever the problem - it's only fair.

Please, send a friendly report of your results, and you will receive a friendly, helpful reply in return!

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On Jul 17, 2015, Betauser (1 reviews) from Forest City, NC

Ordered on the weekend, shipped Tuesday & arrived Friday from California to N.C. Very pleased.

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On Jun 20, 2015, msms (1 reviews) from Oroville, CA

Fast delivery. Easy to pay and e-mail.

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On Jun 9, 2015, mreizman (1 reviews) from Long Beach, CA

I learned about J.L. Hudson in Michael Pollan's book, Second Nature, and sent away for seeds to plant in my community garden plot -- the first garden I've ever had. I kept it simple and only planted Carrots, Beets, and Brussels Sprouts. All grew extremely well.

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On May 6, 2015, dishpantheism (3 reviews) from San Luis Obispo, CA

My family has been buying seeds from Hudson (and Harry Saier before him) for many years. I can't say enough nice things about Hudson. The catalog is a labor of love. I always find something interesting within it, and I look forward to receiving one each spring. I have never found these fine seed folk to be anything other than helpful and congenial whenever I've ordered from them. I love that they offer so many options for payment, and that the privacy of their patrons is important to them. I imagine I'll be buying seed from Hudson as long as I'm still able to lift a trowel.

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On Apr 17, 2015, ewait (1 reviews) from Zimmerman, MN

Second time ordering from him, and both times positive. He has a good variety of seeds that are hard to find in regular seed catalogs, and I've had good luck with starting the seeds.

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On Mar 27, 2015, servant255 (1 reviews) from Deltona, FL

Awesome!! I used the net and Pay-Pal, just a couple of days ago and my seeds are on the way!!..so easy!! I look for the catalog every year, it's my Bible of seeds..so informative and fun to read! Quality and information is Top notch.. Ten years using their seed with no problems...Now the challenge is on all of us to execute and grow.. Mike C... Florida

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On Mar 3, 2015, sss56 (8 reviews) from Gastonia, NC (Zone 7b)

This was my first time ordering. I received the seeds quickly and everything was exactly as I ordered. Thanks.

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On Feb 17, 2015, greenthumbler (1 reviews) from Ellerslie,
Canada

I love this company. Can't say enough good things about them, and it, and their fascinating seeds. They are a pleasure to deal with. Have been ordering from them for twenty-some years, and the most interesting plants in my garden started from their seeds. Wonderful vegetable varieties, and even Ginkgo Biloba... I started a forest of those two years ago and gave away dozens of seedlings. Very generous quantities of seed in each packet, making the exchange rate quite worthwhile. Also their helpful and informative-- even inspiring-- catalogue, which is educational Winter reading here in the North. I sing their praise.

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On Feb 16, 2015, jumpinjo (12 reviews) from Marshalltown, IA (Zone 5a)

Large variety that includes some hard to find items. Generous amount of seeds and good prices. Good germination also.

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On Dec 30, 2014, primrosepath49 (3 reviews) from Chicago, IL

Wish I'd stumbled across this company before--they have every last arcane species I wanted, including cardoon, huazontle, bronze fennel and tree spinach. Of the varieties I've planted so far, very good germination rates.

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On Dec 12, 2014, AngeloSalvi (1 reviews) from Scafati,
Italy

I have found what I needed and the mailing is been very fast to be a long distance! I will sure contact them in future for other seeds cause their seeds-bank is really complete!

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On Dec 9, 2014, PracticalAg (2 reviews) from Raleigh, NC (Zone 8a)

I have used JL for 6 years now, and I keep coming back due to price, viability, and speed. Whoever is running it is honest with refunds and I have had excellent luck with virtually everything that I have purchased. I don't leave reviews often, but I stand behind this company. It is well worth the "effort" to use PayPal. Thanks!

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On Nov 5, 2014, guptaas (2 reviews) from EAST PATCHOGUE, NY (Zone 7b)

I found a larger selection of seeds here than anywhere else. The website has no frills but the information is very specific and useful. The ordering process is unusual but smooth using Paypal. The order mailed out in a day. Going by other commentators, if I don't succeed in germinating these seeds, it is likely going to be some error on my part.

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On Oct 15, 2014, helenahkh (3 reviews) from Gautier, MS

Great company to get seeds of rare plants, fast dependable service. Thank you.

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On Aug 21, 2014, beesberet (4 reviews) from Maywood, CA

I came across one of their catalogues from the 80s and realized I hadn't ordered in years. So glad I did because the selection is even more extensive, the germination rates remain excellent, and prices/service can't be beat. So glad they're still around for those ethnobotanical treasures.

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