? I.D. suppose to have been a Tawaiin white hibiscus

Well first - I have to say WOW!!
These pictures on the hibiscus forum are amazing- had NO idea there were so many!

Okay- now the i.d. - I grew this plant by seed I purchased, and it sure won't be the first time the plant didn't turn out to be what the seeds were suppose to be. This was to be a Taiwanese White Hibiscus. If you ask me, it looks more like a squash plant and bloom. I included some leaves for some of the expterts. It of course does not vine, but there were a couple of moments I thought it might- the way it grew. Great big fleshy leaves like a squash.

here are picts

picture number 2. I guess if it starts growing a squash I'll really know! lol :)
there is one seed pod forming. It sort of reminds me of the september rose in it growth habit. The flowers appear under the leaf canopy. the plant is about 3.5 high.

I tried to include some good leaf growth for further ID

Rj... i am no expert by any means, but ur flower reminds me of Okra bloom.

hopefully Eclipse/Kyle can shed some lights on this plant of urs. good luck!

Well, all of those mentioned are members of the same family, if I'm not mistaken -

Ann

Well, I certainly find out if grows something. I don't remember okra having such big leaves, but then there are probably dozens of varities. I do remember drying out some okra seeds last winter. I had this well marked though.
Thanks! I am going to go look at some okra pics now...:(

Rj

Well Ann, I never knew...I just went to look at okra..and found this
Family: Malvaceae (mal-VAY-see-ay) (Info)
Genus: Hibiscus (hi-BIS-kus) (Info)
Species: rosa-sinensis (RO-suh se-NEN-sis) (Info)
Cultivar: Okra
http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/46100/index.html

There it goes again the endless learning! thanks. I sure didn't know they were the same family. Unfortuneatly there is no picture.

Rj

Does this look like it?

http://www.geocities.com/pelionature/Okra.htm

The flower does a bit, but the leaves are big and fleshy- even fuzzy.
I have a good picture of the leaves in the 3rd picture.

This message was edited Nov 9, 2006 10:24 AM

Okra definitely has hairy leaves - so much so that like figs they can irritate some peoples' skin.

Ann

Okay -
Thanks Ann. I love okara--...!

I am confused, the vegetable Okra is in the hibiscus family but it is not a rosa sinensis to my admittedly limited knowledge. Is there a tropical hib called Okra? (I figure if there is a Pond Scum there might be an Okra).

Someone's getting a little slaphappy........

Ann

LOL...Yes..I found a tropical hibiscus in the plantfiles..but no pictures..I would love to enter mine if it is the correct plant. I guess that means it won't be the okra you eat then?!

Who's slap happy? Moi???????

Check out this site and the flower on the lower left. http://www.trop-hibiscus.com/gindr.html

here's an okra bloom
http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&q=okra+bloom&btnG=Search

I'm not sure that there really is an 'Okra' cultivar of H. rosa-sinensis...I googled it and the only reference I can find is the one listed in Plant Files, which makes me suspect it may not be a real plant, perhaps someone had a confused plant tag? I just think if it was a real cultivar that someone else would have some info. Regardless, this plant couldn't be it anyway--it doesn't look like H. rosa-sinensis, looks much more like okra the vegetable, definitely closer to that than it is to tropical hibiscus.

check this link for scientific classification of OKRA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okra hth... ma vie

Scientific classification
Kingdom: Plantae
Division: Magnoliophyta
Class: Magnoliopsida
Order: Malvales
Family: Malvaceae
Genus: Abelmoschus
Species: A. esculentus
Binomial name
Abelmoschus esculentus
(L.) Moench

edited to show Wikipedia.org classification of Okra

This message was edited Nov 9, 2006 10:22 PM

ooooh....that is sooo an okra plant..!

I had a dried okra in the window sill about time- but don't remember planting any of the seeds with that batch. and I kept it marked and labled the whole time. -- still It could happen... I have huge papaya trees from the same window sill-- stuff from the grocer.
Thanks for helping me find out though. I would have never learned that...am I right....okra and hibiscus are the same family?

Although the flowers are the same on the google okra- I can't find any of the leaves that match.. then again- that's like matching a tequila sun rise leaf with ....????

I would like to find a picture of the tropical hibiscus though- if anyone finds one.

I'm still marveling over all of the different looking hibiscus..wow...!

That makes more sense; the plant files should probably be corrected before someone thinks Okra is a RS.

The cotton plant is also related.

I'm not sure the Plant Files is wrong--I suspect it might be because when I googled Okra as a cultivar name it didn't come up with anything, but that doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't exist, it could just be rare! Maybe someone grew a RS that happened to have a flower with similar colors to okra so they named the cultivar after it, or as I mentioned earlier someone might have had a confusing plant tag and entered something in PF that doesn't really exist. I don't know how to figure this out for sure unless there was a way to know who entered that plant in PF (and I don't think there's a way to do this) but if you look up okra in the common name field you will come up with the correct entries for vegetable okra so I don't think it should confuse people too much.

here is images of the leaf http://images.google.com/images?sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rls=DVFC,DVFC:1970--2,DVFC:en&q=okra%20leaf&oe=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

What!! cotton too? anything else? I have two cotton plants growing...next door neighbor gave me some seeds.

I checked today, and yep...little okras already growing. I would like to find a picture that the leaves at least match. None of the leaves on the other google matched. let me look at Ma vie's last link

no...still can't find the right leaf type. The leaf is shaped exactly like a citrona passion flower. a curve w that is filled in-- sort of like a Phillips 66 sign for those of us who remember.

Most like the (Solanum khasianum)??

This message was edited Nov 10, 2006 5:16 PM

solanum khasianum http://images.google.com/images?sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rls=DVFC,DVFC:1970--2,DVFC:en&q=Solanum%20khasianum&oe=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

the ones posted of okra leaf are same to the okra i have grown in the past. so i do not know what u are looking for.

Rj, your unknown plant looks like Hibiscus calyphyllus, aka lemon yellow rosemallow.

Regards

Carlos

Thankyou Carlos, I'll always wonder how I got this seed. Are they edible?
Rj

i agree with carlo05. i have one and the leaves are fleshy and fuzzy. funny thing is i traded with a lady this spring for what was supposed to be hibiscus taiwanensis that she started from seeds. it looks just like the calyphylla that i bought from a nursery. they both bloomed today.

oh wow..now how odd is that!!?

and that is calyphyllus. can anyone tell me the difference in hibiscus calyphyllus and hibiscus taiwanensis?

based on common sense, the difference would be: country of origin, leaf shape, color intensity of the flower as provided by links shown

hibiscus taiwanensis image http://www.tradewindsfruit.com/cream_hibiscus.htm
" " origin is Taiwan, China
" " leaf shape http://www.malvaceae.info/Genera/Hibiscus/galleryV.html

hibiscus calyphyllus image http://www.malvaceae.info/Genera/Hibiscus/galleryC.html
" " origin is Africa http://www.anniesannuals.com/signs/h/hibiscus_calyphyllus.htm

btw.... hibiscus taiwanesis is aka: Taiwan Cotton Rose http://www.mrflora.com/sl_smallpacks_malvaceae_01_eng.htm

sorry there isn't much info on both variety which made it difficult to assess, plus i am at a handicap here cuz i have not grown one. this is the best i can do. hth

First link it isn't H. taiwainensis, maybe H. calyhpyllus, although they sell it as H. taiwanensis.
In this link you can see blooms and leaves of H. tawainensis
http://tnl.org.tw/article/column/ccchen/00112/00112-3m.jpg

Regards

Carlos

does anyone have taiwanensis seeds? i have calyphyllus to trade. or some kenaf varieties?

I thought it might be H. trionum, but the foliage isn't right for most of the pix on the web.

But I did find this one that seems to match. Question is, is the correct ID?

http://www.agpix.com/view_caption.php?image_id=12953&keyword=Hibiscus

Robert.

I've grown H. trionium before and rjudd's plant doesn't look at all like mine did so I don't think that's it.

Well - I have to say that the leaves look pretty much like that. It must be somwhwere around that .

I thnk Carlos hit it pretty good with
Hibiscus calyphyllus, aka lemon yellow rosemallow

Well, it looks like what is in the picture, but if you Google it, you come up with a lot of examples with cut or palmate foliage........

They went with calyphyllus in another forum for a similar-looking plant:
http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/664655/

R.

This message was edited Nov 25, 2006 1:58 PM

ahh! thanks, glad I'm not the only one !
I keep checking for little okra pods..lol...

Pretty !